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Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by Dorgana

Dorgana — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:15:33 +0000

I don't think he's being elitist – in fact his guild isn't far progressed into ICC at all.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by Liore

Liore — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:17:04 +0000

Not to repeat myself, but nowhere did I actually say that I want to clear content faster than other people. I just want to feel like I (and my guild) have accomplished something when we kill Arthas. I don't care WHAT other guilds do, whether they kill Arthas sooner than us, or not.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by Liore

Liore — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:10:45 +0000

It's harming my gameplay experience? I mean, that's a pretty spurious argument on its own, granted, but it's as good as yours.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by What's my main?

What's my main? — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:02:13 +0000

The lich king soul reaping ability is 40k damage up front and then 40k damage after 5 seconds if I'm not mistaken. Meanwhile he hits harder and faster… but where you had to swap tanks to survive you won't have to with a 30% increase in hp. Especially when you are looking at 30k holy light's landing every 1.5 seconds.

If tanks are capable of surviving this damage at around 60k health you can't tell me that it won't trivialize the mechanics at 80k.
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Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by Yuki

Yuki — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:29:02 +0000

Galero is completely right. I'm in a guild that's currently working through hardmodes. We do have a certain sense of pride that we downed LK before the zone buff, but these fights are not simple gear checks. Even in normal, all of the wing bosses excluding DBS are heavy on communication and coordination. In heroic, the buff, while still useful, is even less important. The fights may require huge dps and hps, but they also require a very high degree of planning and situational awareness.

@What's my main? – You haven't faced the worst that ICC has to offer. Wait until you're tanking Sindragosa and the magic debuff starts stacking. Wait until you're working on LK and people aren't getting out of Defile. While there may not be a lot of things that will kill a fully zone buffed tank with 1 hit, there are plenty of mechanics which will make your day rather dark indeed.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by donovitch

donovitch — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:47:47 +0000

I am part of what I would call a very casual guild with some people that like to raid- we have about half our raiding team each week that will switch out for our other raiders. Gearing up for 10 man ICC is cake and we still manage to be 5/12 and we'll probably manage to get 6/12 in the next few weeks and when we do we will be totally stoked about it. The key is it is OUR progression, we don't need nor want any more breadcrumbs from Blizz. There is no huge wall facing guilds in any fight I have seen so far, in fact the only reason we have not gotten farther is we as a group just need a little more practice with the bosses in question. Why would we care about progression if we knew it was just going to get handed to us on a silver platter anyway. Our goal is to down Arthas before the Expac ships and to have fun doing it at our own pace. Everything is doable from what I have seen to even moderately busy people irl- it just comes down to do they CARE enough to try more then a few times and get over the wipes that EVERYONE goes through? It took my guild a very long time to get past Saurfang but after wiping on it enough times for enough guildies to see what they need to do in it we one shot him every week easily and we just got past him very recently. Form what I have seen this content is easy, but the telling factor here is does those 4/12 guilds give enough of a damn to learn the fights through a little bit of blood and sweat each week.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by Galero

Galero — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:31:18 +0000

What many people are failing to understand is that a large portion of the difficulty in later ICC bosses lies in the coordination required to handle each boss's mechanics. Just because we're getting a percentage buff to health, healing, and damage done doesn't mean we can just stand in shock vortices or ignore dark nucleii in the Blood Princes encounter, or eat frost bombs in the Sindragosa fight. Raids will still need to work on bosses until they are able to handle these mechanics. All this buff will do is give a bit of a buffer to make mistakes a bit more forgiving during the learning process.

And really, who does that hurt? High end guilds working on hard modes benefit from the buff just the same as more average guilds trudging their way through the Upper Spire, and even the guilds who are just trying to make their first forays into the citadel. If you think you can go and one-shot the Lich King the first time you fight him without practicing the timing, positioning, and mechanic handling needed to complete the encounter just because you have this buff, I'd like to see it.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by Bruski

Bruski — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:51:56 +0000

"My warrior has 45k unbuffed health the 30% health increase will put me at over 65k unbuffed. Fully raid buffed I'll be sitting at like 80k health. Tell me what boss ability in ICC can possibly kill me at that point? "

The stacked magical debuff on Sindragosa would easily kill you.
The Lich King's soul reaper on Normal would still come close to killing you, if you weren't at full hp/using a cd you would not survive.
On heroic LK the shambling horrors supposedly hit for 70k regularly on a 25 man geared tank.

Don't presume to know about fights which you haven't done.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by donovitch

donovitch — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:57:12 +0000

I totally understand my guild is just behind yours and we regularly bring in a few people every week that don't know the fights and still manage to get at least 4-6/12 done easily. Anyone that complains about it being "too hard" is just being silly entitled pricks themselves. They have every opportunity do get these fights down. I would know- my RL only gets 9 hours a week at all to even play wow and we still manage.

Comment on The ICC Buff Can Bite Me by donovitch

donovitch — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:51:56 +0000

I agree with the idea that 4/12 is "middle-of the road" currently- I don't think you should be comparing yourself to the top 15%, but instead trying to evaluate your progress to guilds who ate 8/12 or even 6/12, the expac isn't coming out for awhile- you have plenty of time to down Arthas and keep busy until then- you aren't running out of content and the content that the 4/12 guilds are running into just takes practice and a little forethought.